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#TalkCrafts Tweetchat Transcript 2/20/12 Protecting Your Content
CreatingTheHive on Feb, 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM

If you missed today's #TalkCrafts tweetchat then you missed a lot!  Today our conversation was all about Protecting Your content on the internet.  Since one of our regular chat members happens to be a copyright lawyer, you know this was informative!  A lot of the conversation revolved around what's happening with Pinterest, definitely a hot conversation anywhere these days.

Be sure to read from the bottom up. 

  Ok everyone... happy President's Day, Family day or just plain Happy Monday... time for me to run... thanks & see you next Mon! #talkcrafts -2:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  yeah I fixed in my retweet lol#TalkCrafts -2:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  The company is Wingham Wool Work. They may have stopped the program, haven't been in years. #talkcrafts -2:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 YES! RT : Ill see if I can get to come play w us since hes king of upcycle which is clearly GREEN! #TalkCrafts -2:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  oopss... that was supposed to say that  was the KING of upcycle....#talkcrafts -2:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Hmmm I wonder if my fave jewelry artist knows about you..  #talkcrafts -2:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I'll see if I can get  to come play with us since he's the kind of upcycle - which is clearly GREEN! #talkcrafts -2:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I'd say local counts under both green and ethical :) #talkcrafts -2:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :   I dream of being allowed to just make anything from the Cousin warehouse, muahahha :) #TalkCrafts -2:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 WOW RT : In UK there is a fiber source that charges you by the day to play in their store, supplies used r free #TalkCrafts -2:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Really??? That sounds like a ton of fun! Looking it up now :-) #talkcrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  hahaha! either way! I love made in America products too! :) After all, I am AmeriCanadian lol#TalkCrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  <3 that #talkcrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I dream of being allowed to just make anything from the Cousin warehouse, muahahha :) #TalkCrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  hahah - yes - maybe we should just say "not China"!! LOL #talkcrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   In the UK there is a fiber source that charges you by the day to play in their store, supplies used r free #TalkCrafts -2:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  OK how about Craft products, green and local..? #talkcrafts -2:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Huzzah :) #talkcrafts -2:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 LOVE CousinCorp! RT  We can be a part of that :-) Being a family company we strive to be as "good" as possible. #TalkCrafts -2:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I like your topic too.... maybe we can hold that for the week after next? #talkcrafts-2:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Thanks, I will follow back when I get a breath :) #talkcrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 OK, so there you have it... let's talk about Craft products, green & made in the USA... #talkcrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Or Canada? ;) lol RT : YES => RT: Id love to see more craft products made in America. #TalkCrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Awesome - following now. Thank you! #talkcrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I have a lot more questions than answers but even starting to ask the question is a step forward #talkcrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  like that one too!!! #TalkCrafts-2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I can talk about things to look out for but can't recommend companies etc. #talkcrafts -2:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 YES => RT : Id love to see more craft products made in America. #talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Maybe a topic on the commercial/educational balance in blogging. There's a lot of pimping interfering w/content #talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  yes! I need help on that one! I do great at the reusing/recycling part but not in sourcing new "green" products #TalkCrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  You should check out (er I think that is the right name) on Made in America supplies :) #talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If you know people who will get in on that conversation. I don't know enough about the topic#talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  We can be a part of that :-) Being a family company we strive to be as "good" as possible.#talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I'm game! RT : Im waiting 4 any tweet chat 2talk about ethical & green sourcing of craft supplies, any takers? #talkcrafts -2:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'd love that. I'd love to see more craft products made in America. #talkcrafts -2:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  sorry!! I'm not good with time zones either. #talkcrafts -2:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  oh I like that topic! #TalkCrafts -2:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  (I don't mean just reuse & recycling but when purchasing stuff) #talkcrafts -2:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'm waiting for any tweet chat to talk about ethical & green sourcing of craft supplies, any takers? #talkcrafts -2:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : FANTASTIC chat!!!! #TalkCrafts< Yes - I'm sorry I arrived late. Google calendar does not respect time zones :) -2:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I totally agree. Copying/inspiration/pattern use *etiquette* needs reform too :) #TalkCrafts -2:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Sad, but true. We can change that :) #talkcrafts -2:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so.... what should we talk about next week?#talkcrafts -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  until people started making money for AdSense we did... #talkcrafts -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I agree wholeheartedly with that.#TalkCrafts -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : RT : If you are posting tutorials, the goal should be to have someone make it. #talkcrafts << AMEN! :) -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 FANTASTIC chat!!!! #TalkCrafts -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : In summary: I think the best start to protect your stuff is 2 ask people not to use it & add attribution 2 img #TalkCrafts -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : If you are posting tutorials, the goal should be to have someone make it.#talkcrafts << AMEN! :) -2:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : If people are still stealing your work, ask them to remove then look to the DMCA for takedown options #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I think that's a tragedy, and will hurt the craft industry as a whole. We used to share more freely. #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : In summary: I think the best start 2 protect your stuff is 2 ask people not 2 use it & add attribution 2 img #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : In summary: I think the best start to protect your stuff is 2 ask people not to use it & add attribution 2 img #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Amen, sister! :) #talkcrafts-2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Me too. It's sad. I'm not going into the Smithsonian - I'm crafting. It's just a perspective thing, IMHO. #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 AMEN! RT : If you are posting tutorials, the goal should be to have someone make it.#TalkCrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If people are still stealing your work, ask them to remove then look to the DMCA for takedown options #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Yes it has :-D RT : Wow. This has been a really informative chat today! #talkcrafts -2:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  no of course! but I see ppl saying X did this tutorial & now I'm trying it, even linking to X, then X gets upset #TalkCrafts -2:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 If you write a blog, the goal should be for someone to see it and find it worth sharing. #talkcrafts -2:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 If you are posting tutorials, the goal should be to have someone make it. #talkcrafts -2:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 YES AWESOME!!! RT : Wow. This has been a really informative chat today! #talkcrafts -2:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  In summary: I think the best start to protect your stuff is to ask people not to use it & add attribution 2 img #talkcrafts -2:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 EXactly! RT : That makes no sense 2 me. I share coz I want other people 2 enjoy the craft themselves. #talkcrafts -2:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  me too but i see so many posts with ppl complaining abt having their ideas stolen because of that #TalkCrafts -2:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Wow. This has been a really informative chat today! #talkcrafts -2:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Now if someone re-pubs a tutorial in its entirety and claims ownership, that's not okay.#TalkCrafts -2:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  That just makes no sense to me. I share because I want other people to enjoy the craft themselves. #TalkCrafts -2:00 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If someone built a multi mill $$ biz with my work, that would be diff. but most "copying" is 4 insp #talkcrafts -2:00 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 dang sneaky peeps RT : and if they are that sleazy there are ways to unwatermark if they are that determined #talkcrafts -1:59 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  very true but some crafters do tutorials then get upset when someone makes it & shares what they made #TalkCrafts -1:59 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 think this is true with MOST crafters: I watermark my photos, dont worry too much - if people r inspired, gr8t. #talkcrafts -1:59 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Ha - Yes! :) #talkcrafts -1:58 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts and if they are that sleazy there are ways to unwatermark if they are that determined -1:58 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  agreed :-) #talkcrafts -1:58 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts I'm not so worried about making the copyright notice something that can't be cropped out, only really sleazy ppl will crop -1:58 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : I just really think it should have your copyright/name PLUS link to yr post. Helps avoid some issues w bad pins #talkcrafts -1:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   If someone built a multi mill $$ biz with my work, that would be diff. but most "copying" is 4 insp. #talkcrafts -1:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 to digitally mark files RT  we use Adobe here, its a choice on the file menu called "File Info"#talkcrafts -1:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 We don't obviously protect our images so our customers can use them freely :-) #talkcrafts -1:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  yeah :( gone in April #TalkCrafts-1:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Yes Adobe's files so that but not everyone can read that information #talkcrafts -1:56 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I just really think it should have your copyright/name PLUS link to yr post. Helps avoid some issues w bad pins #TalkCrafts -1:56 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I watermark my photos, but I also don't worry too much - if people are inspired, great. #talkcrafts -1:56 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Hmm we use Adobe here and its a choice on the file menu called "File Info" but being a wholesaler.. #talkcrafts -1:56 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   sadly Picnik is going out of business at just the wrong time #talkcrafts -1:55 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts I think that  (Alice Merlino)'s custom frame + copyright notice is one of the best around :) But she stopped using it -1:55 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : picnik - heard they are no more tho Cyn! or will be soon #talkcrafts -1:55 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  How do you think they should be watermarked? what's the best way to protect yourself#talkcrafts -1:55 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If someone has their own affiliate link, it should not be replaced by  - agreed.#talkcrafts -1:54 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  They're easy to do Dale. I do them with picnik but I'm sure there are many other ways to make too. #TalkCrafts -1:54 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 any recommended programs for that? RT: You can always add digital copyright info into the actual file too. #talkcrafts -1:54 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  NO, I agree... i just didn't realize it was happening. they have a right to monetize#talkcrafts -1:53 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 haven't worried abt watermark before, now will have to learn to make one #talkcrafts -1:53 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  - I agree - most people don't know. And sharing is good in the craft industry #talkcrafts -1:53 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : ultimately anything exposed to photography CAN be recreated, tho no way ID want the reverse engineering hob :S #talkcrafts -1:53 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I don't have a problem with it IF they work out the bugs where they are (accidentally?) replacing others links #talkcrafts -1:53 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I think the ones that also list the originating blog post address are better. #TalkCrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 You can always add digital copyright info into the actual file too. #talkcrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  - I don't have a problem with their transparent monetization - it's FAR superior to ads.#talkcrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : I think if Pinterest changes its terms and changes its image storage it can be awesome and 100% legal. #talkcrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 agreed! RT : I find that most honest people just dnt know what they r doing is wrong, they will not do it if asked. #talkcrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I think the way you watermark is important too. Some just put something like copyright Cyn Gagen. #TalkCrafts-1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  #talkcrafts Ultimately anything exposed to photography CAN be recreated, tho no way I'D want the reverse engineering hob :S -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   Remember the adage "If you are not paying for the service UR not the consumer UR the product" #talkcrafts -1:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 its a lot to absorb! RT : ME TOO Cyn! RT : my head is spinning thinking about all this! #talkcrafts -1:51 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Post notices on your website asking people not to take your stuff (or not pin if you dont want that). #TalkCrafts -1:51 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Post notices on your website asking people not to take your stuff (or not pin if you dont want that). #talkcrafts -1:51 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I find that most honest people just don't know what they are doing is wrong, they will not do it if asked. #talkcrafts -1:51 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 ME TOO Cyn! RT : my head is spinning thinking about all this! #talkcrafts -1:51 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Post notices on your website asking people not to take your stuff (or not pin if you don't want that). #talkcrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT  I think if Pinterest changes its terms and changes its image storage it can be awesome and 100% legal. #TalkCrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 always is... RT : Well it seems the free love world of Pinterest is a little darker than we originally imagined #talkcrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 OK, so suggestions to protect our content? Watermark in areas that can't be removed... any other suggestions? #talkcrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 my head is spinning thinking about all this!#TalkCrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I think if Pinterest changes its terms and changes its image storage it can be awesome and 100% legal. #talkcrafts -1:50 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Well it seems the free love world of Pinterest is a little darker than we originally imagined #talkcrafts -1:49 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Of course advertising is probably around the corner, but that's what they are doing already. #talkcrafts -1:49 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 ooohhhhh slick RT : If you pin a book cover on Amazon, they change the link to their own affiliate code. #talkcrafts -1:48 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  And it's far more than Amazon, they use a service that hooks in with almost anyone who uses affiliate marketing #talkcrafts -1:48 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Supposedly if you put your own affiliate code in first they don't change it but people are saying they do it :( #talkcrafts -1:48 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If you pin a book cover on Amazon, they change the link to their own affiliate code.#talkcrafts -1:48 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : #TalkCrafts I think the two best things we as bloggers can do are to do the right thing ourselves & teach others to do so. -1:47 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  My guess, and this is JUST a guess, is that their are restrictions on pixel size, etc #talkcrafts -1:47 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 ??? RT : Pinterest HAS monetization, they change your links to insert their own affiliate codes #talkcrafts -1:47 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'm afraid my answer is a definite maybe. But I'd still say it's ethically best to get permission. #talkcrafts -1:47 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  The google idea is definitely something we'll look into. #talkcrafts -1:46 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Google was taken to court over it. Youd have2 follow the rules given Google exactly & I dont know what they r #talkcrafts -1:46 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Pinterest HAS monetization, they change your links to insert their own affiliate codes#talkcrafts -1:46 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I think they'll last. Now that they're so hot, they can easily monetize. #TalkCrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  so maybe? RT : Could you resize a picture like google does and then link to the original? #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Google was taken to court over it. You'd have to follow the rules given Google exactly & I don't know what they are #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : #TalkCrafts I think 2 best things we as bloggers can do 2 do the right thing ourselves & teach others 2 do so. #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 AGREED RT  #TalkCrafts I think the 2 best things we as bloggrs can do are do the rght thng ourselves & teach others #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : I think the two best things we as bloggers can do are to do the right thing ourselves & teach others to do so. #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Do you think Pinterest will last? With zero monetization and valuation of $2M and rising #talkcrafts -1:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 YES! RT : I think 2 best things we as bloggers can do are to do the right thing ourselves & teach others to do so. #TalkCrafts -1:44 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Good question RT : Could you resize a picture like google does and then link to the original? #TalkCrafts -1:44 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I have not read the court case to know the details but there is some possibility. But I can't give a blanket yes #talkcrafts -1:44 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts I think the two best things we as bloggers can do are to do the right thing ourselves & teach others to do so. -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Could you resize a picture like google does and then link to the original? #talkcrafts -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : you can link to their post on their blog/site OR if you want pics, you can ask for permission to use those 1st #talkcrafts -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :  So do you think there is a good answer other than everything on the web being public domain? #talkcrafts -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 *tick tock* RT : Ask h their permission. In my experience if you are patient 99% of them will say yes. #talkcrafts -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : As crafters, case can be made on bth sides. Pinterest & featured blogs hlp provide needed links & exposure #TalkCrafts -1:43 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I could go on and on about some possible solutions, but they are complicated and possibly too late now anyway #talkcrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 On the other hand, this is apparently a clear violation of copyright. #talkcrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  you can link to their post on their blog/site OR if you want pics, you can ask for permission to use those 1st #TalkCrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Ask h their permission. In my experience if you are patient 99% of them will say yes.#talkcrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so I guess I should go unlink everything on my blog #talkcrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  So do you think there is a good answer other than everything on the web being public domain?#talkcrafts -1:42 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 So, as crafters, the case can be made on both sides. Pinterest & featured blogs help provide needed links & exposure #talkcrafts -1:41 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I know some books have come out on copyright for bloggers, don't know the names offhand. #talkcrafts -1:41 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so if I am inspired by 4 different people who make a certain craft, I can't link to them? #talkcrafts -1:41 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If their image shows up when a viewer looks at *your* page, that is hotlinking. #talkcrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Yeah you can get hit with copyright and unauthorized access to networks, two charges instead of one. #TalkCrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : but thats just it...theres SO much to know about copyright & how it applies to blogging#talkcrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Yeah you can get hit with copyright and unauthorized access to networks, two charges instead of one. #talkcrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I don't use their image, I link directly to their site #talkcrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I am not aware of a court case involving hotlinking but please remember I had to retire 6 years ago. #talkcrafts -1:40 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I know, I need to rethink too. RT: wow - 8 yrs of blogging & I was always linking to others. #talkcrafts -1:39 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  but that's just it...there's SO much to know about copyright & how it applies to blogging#TalkCrafts -1:39 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : You are using the bandwidth they paid for when you link. That may be a better legal case than copyright #talkcrafts -1:39 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   Yeah you can get hit with copyright and unauthorized access to networks, two charges instead of one. #talkcrafts -1:39 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :Yes, some people have still gone to court over images that were taken down on request. But that is very rare. #talkcrafts -1:39 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 wow - 8 yrs of blogging & I was always linking to others. #talkcrafts -1:38 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  You are using the bandwidth they paid for when you link. That may be a better legal case than copyright #talkcrafts -1:38 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I do know a real estate agent that makes {good} money on this happening. she makes charts, etc agents use, she fines #talkcrafts -1:38 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Be safe :) #TalkCrafts -1:38 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  The only legal and ethical thing if you want to use someone's image is to get their permission first. #talkcrafts -1:37 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  that's what I thought Dale!#talkcrafts -1:37 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Yes, some people have still gone to court over images that were taken down on request. But that is very rare. #talkcrafts -1:37 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 be safe RT : Sorry but I need to run, wind is getting really bad here and storms are brewing bye all #talkcrafts -1:37 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Have a great Day and stay safe in the storm! #talkcrafts -1:37 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so linking 2 someone's photo is not good? I'd rather link than upload their photo when giving an example of someone's work. #talkcrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  If you remove a image that you copied right away when owner asks can u get in trouble still?#talkcrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Now just to be the devil's advocate here.. #talkcrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Sorry but I need to run, wind is getting really bad here and storms are brewing bye all #TalkCrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  That's why even if you don't repost the image on your site it is still unauthorized copies.#talkcrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so many people think oh i'll just throw a little blog together for fun & don't realize the legalities of what they're doing #TalkCrafts -1:36 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  To be extremely technical, every time someone views an image in their browser, it makes a temporary copy. #talkcrafts -1:35 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'd consider hotlinking less bad than an outright copy but still not good or legal. #talkcrafts -1:35 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Same RT :  I worry about that too but Id rather give up a few eyeballs to know I am doing the right thing. #TalkCrafts -1:35 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   Now see, I thought that would be better because it keeps it theirs, not ours - good to know. #talkcrafts -1:34 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  OK just wanted to make sure :-)#talkcrafts -1:34 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I worry about that too but I'd rather give up a few eyeballs to know I am doing the right thing.#TalkCrafts -1:34 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 because I only include links to their posts if i don't get permission to reuse their pics in time #TalkCrafts -1:34 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  That's hotlinking. I mean a text link.#talkcrafts -1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Ah, see that is hotlinking, which is probably a violation AND bad etiquette b/c it uses their bandwidth #talkcrafts -1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Is linking ligit? In the digital world, using a photo URL is putting unknown and undo stress on a server #talkcrafts -1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 i get so worried about violating copyright that sometimes i lament the fact that my blog is "boring" compared to others #TalkCrafts -1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  And to be clear I do not mean hotlinking (where their image shows up in your post but is only on their servers) #talkcrafts -1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  no, we "copy image URL" then use it in the 'add image' section of our blog post #talkcrafts-1:33 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  then we try to leave comments in their original blog saying that we featured this in xyz blog and give them URL #talkcrafts -1:32 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  But you only link to their image, not post it? That's totally fine. Linking is legit. Copying photos is not. #talkcrafts -1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 You can put yourself out there but then you risk being copied :-/ Ahh the freedom of information... #talkcrafts-1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I always start with Google. You can do a lot there if you know your search skills well.#talkcrafts -1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  then we write about what it is, say their blog name, highlight and link back to them #talkcrafts-1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 It seems like this is the same argument that has been going around the web for years. #talkcrafts -1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 What I find most frustrating is when artists start yelling about having their stuff stolen & then they turn around & do same #TalkCrafts -1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  it's ideas we find on pinterest. We go back to their blog & use their photo URL, so it's always linked 2 them #talkcrafts -1:31 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I can no longer do much more than rant on some blogs and tweet about it a lot. Want to do a lot more :( #TalkCrafts -1:30 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Personally I find this so frustrating since defending the indie artist is why I became a lawyer. But b/c of disability #TalkCrafts -1:30 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 so I know that sites like copyscape can help you find when someone is copying you. What others do you like? #talkcrafts -1:29 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  It is definitely a problem. There are some moves to educate people but a lot more work is needed.#TalkCrafts -1:29 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Im all for people being permissive about their stuff *if they want to be*. Thats the whole point of ownership #talkcrafts -1:28 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Do you do this for blogs not resyndicated on The Hive? Do you ask permission to use the photo first? #talkcrafts -1:28 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'd say the biggest problem for now is the photo storage. But that "we have the right to use images" scares me. #talkcrafts -1:28 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  me too...problem is that those big bloggers have set a precedent that others think they can follow#TalkCrafts -1:28 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 We do highlights on blogs, using their photo URL & linking back to their site. We comment on their blog & give them our URL #talkcrafts -1:28 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'd say the biggest problem for now is the photo storage. But that "we have the right to use images" scares me. #talkcrafts -1:27 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Well as far as I know now Pinterest says that it's "bad etiquette" to pin ONLY your own stuff. #TalkCrafts -1:27 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Yes, it is good for a lot of sites in a lot of ways... the biggest problem seems to be that it stores the photos? #talkcrafts -1:26 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I'm all for people being permissive about their stuff *if they want to be*. That's the whole point of ownership #TalkCrafts -1:26 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 But no one complains because of the traffic they get.#TalkCrafts -1:26 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 And there are some of the "big bloggers" out there who do "roundups" of people's posts and they never get permission. #TalkCrafts -1:26 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : the thing is, I know bloggers who have had traffic increases of over 400% from Pinterest. Theyre not complaining. #talkcrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Very true. Some say their stuff is going to wind up pinned anyway so they'd rather put it there themselves #TalkCrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 interesting RT : Actually when I first joined Pinterest, it was against terms of service to pin your own stuff. #talkcrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Some of the more cynical among us thing the terms are just so they can blame users for copyright infringements #TalkCrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : under Pinterests legal terms (NOT their pinning etiquette) you are only allowed to pin your own stuff. #talkcrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 and the thing is, I know bloggers who have had traffic increases of over 400% from Pinterest. They're not complaining. #TalkCrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I know, their terms are 180-degrees different from their etiquette/guides. #TalkCrafts -1:25 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 uh yeah RT : I just know others who have had major issues trying to get their stuff removed from other peoples posts. #talkcrafts -1:24 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  You can often go "up the chain" to their host/provider but it's not always easy.#TalkCrafts -1:24 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Actually when I first joined Pinterest, it was against terms of service to pin your own stuff. #TalkCrafts -1:24 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I'm familiar with one real estate agent that makes a pretty tidy income just sending cease & desist violation penalties #talkcrafts -1:24 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  BUT that's not what Pinterest says they want you to do. They say that only pinning your own stuff is "rude". #TalkCrafts -1:24 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Time and finding them RT : You just need a cease & desist letter to go after thieves. #talkcrafts -1:23 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I just know some others who have had major issues trying to get their stuff removed from other people's posts.#TalkCrafts -1:23 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  My experience is that few "little guys" will respond to a C&D. #talkcrafts -1:23 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : And the thing is just watermarking doesnt keep them from taking your images. Sure it gives you credit but still.. #talkcrafts -1:23 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Well yeah - reputable sites do but these were other bloggers who never answered me. #TalkCrafts-1:23 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts Please remember that under Pinterest's legal terms (NOT their pinning etiquette) you are only allowed to pin your own stuff. -1:22 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 You just need a cease & desist letter to go after thieves.  #talkcrafts -1:22 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I didn't pursue it because frankly the times it happened to me, they were what I considered "fluff" posts. #TalkCrafts -1:22 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Very, very true. #TalkCrafts -1:22 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 True... then cropped and turned into a jpg RT: But with a screen shot ANYTHING can be copied.... #talkcrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 And the thing is just watermarking doesn't keep them from taking your images. Sure it gives you credit but still.... #TalkCrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  It's not always per individual blogger but is on their "host" site (lik http://t.co/kcAWfqyj) #TalkCrafts-1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 http://t.co/TkCu6wmk RT : those people should use a Creative Commons licence to make their feelings clear. #talkcrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   That's not what I'm reading. They honor copyright. http://t.co/Hd19bLxq #talkcrafts-1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Most reputable sites will have a way to notify them of copyright violations to have your stuff taken down. #TalkCrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : But with a screen shot ANYTHING can be copied.... #TalkCrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I'm not a "big enough" blogger to be able to go after people who steal from me. Too expensive. #TalkCrafts -1:21 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  You can use the DMCA to take things down off US servers and those that voluntarily comply with US law. #TalkCrafts -1:20 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 But with a screen shot ANYTHING can be copied....#talkcrafts -1:20 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 However, I've had complete blog posts & pictures taken from my blog w/o permission. Good luck doing anything about it #TalkCrafts -1:20 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Creating a invisible Gif to sit in front of your image is another way to protect it from copying#talkcrafts -1:20 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I have watermarked all of my images from day 1. Policing my images is my job, not Pinterest or other 3rd party #talkcrafts -1:20 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Even sites where you cant right click to save, your artwork can be pinned #TalkCrafts -1:19 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 And there is a function on Google where you can search for copies of your pictures to see if anyone is using them. #TalkCrafts -1:19 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Not allow browsers enforce the no-right-click-save settings anyway. #talkcrafts -1:19 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Even sites where you can't right click to save, your artwork can be pinned #talkcrafts -1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  That doesn't protect it but is does ensure you get credit. I'd do it if I had any photos worth stealing ;) #talkcrafts -1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I think watermarking is a start too as long as it's not distracting from your image. That drives me crazy. #TalkCrafts-1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  on Pinterest they're storing full size images #TalkCrafts -1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :  Google only stores a thumbnail of the image, you have to click through to see the full size. #talkcrafts -1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  From what I've heard is that the issue is that on FB & Google it's only a thumbnail #TalkCrafts-1:18 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Very true. Those people should use a Creative Commons licence to make their feelings clear.#TalkCrafts -1:17 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 So, how do you protect your images? I think watermarking is a beginning. If it's placed where it can't be cropped. #talkcrafts -1:17 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Google only stores a thumbnail of the image, you have to click through to see the full size.#TalkCrafts -1:17 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I think what has happened is that a lot of bloggers don't pursue the issue as long as they get credit #TalkCrafts-1:17 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Is any of this any different as to how Google displays images just because it is shown else where? #TalkCrafts -1:17 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Too many people use "free publicity for you" as their justification for using your stuff w/o permission #talkcrafts -1:16 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I would say Tumblr is worse. You usually can't find the orginal source. it's not a reqmnt to list #talkcrafts -1:16 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Personally I feel it is wrong (and unless something has an explicit licence it is illegal) w/o permission #talkcrafts -1:16 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I know one of the big things about SEO is that you need others linking to you... #talkcrafts -1:16 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 How do you feel about blogs that use the image URL and link back to the site & blog? #talkcrafts -1:15 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  That's why I remind people it IS copyrighted. The law may be wrong in many (other) ways but it's still the law. #TalkCrafts -1:15 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I know but it's done all the time. Some think if they give credit that's enough. It's not. Have to get permission #TalkCrafts -1:15 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts I have not researched this yet (am doing so for an article) but people have said Tumblr is about as bad or worse. Can't confirm -1:14 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : #TalkCrafts Also note Pinterests terms when U pin Ur own stuff U give them a license 2 use & sell the images #talkcrafts -1:14 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : The easiest source for non-techy non-lawyers that talks about Pinterests copyright issueshttp://t.co/04B1I2zU #TalkCrafts -1:14 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Ahhh you are right they hold copies on their own Content delivery network #talkcrafts -1:14 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Thanks for providing that. I'll be sure to post info to it both a the Hive and for my Stager friends#talkcrafts -1:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  So so wrong. Even if it were not illegal it would still be unethical :( #TalkCrafts -1:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : The easiest source for non-techy non-lawyers that talks about Pinterests copyright issueshttp://t.co/Fesg5Z2H #talkcrafts -1:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts Follow the links on that site to more details of people finding the pinned images on Google -1:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I know last year we (the hive) had a big problem with a particular case of copyright violation #talkcrafts-1:13 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 It's not just Pinterest either. Make me crazy when people use others' images on their blogs without permission.#TalkCrafts -1:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :  They {Pinterest} do hold images on their own servers and not just thumbnails #talkcrafts -1:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  The easiest source for non-techy non-lawyers that talks about Pinterest's copyright issueshttp://t.co/rEwHjVo6 #talkcrafts -1:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Also note that under Pinterests terms when u pin your own stuff u give them a license 2use & sell the images. #talkcrafts -1:12 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  One second :) #talkcrafts -1:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Attribution? RT : They hold full sized versions that show up in Google without attribution #talkcrafts -1:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Really? they rename them. RT : Pinterest does not hold the pictures on their own servers as far as i realize. #talkcrafts -1:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 #TalkCrafts Also note that under Pinterest's terms when you pin your own stuff you give them a license to use and sell the images. -1:11 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  yes that's true but there are a few differences that can make a difference #TalkCrafts -1:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  They hold full sized versions that show up in Google without attribution #talkcrafts -1:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 I've noticed a lot more watermarking on photos - which I've also started doing with my work #talkcrafts -1:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  They do hold images on their own servers and not just thumbnails #talkcrafts -1:10 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Pinterest is kinda a middle man. They do not hold the pictures on their own servers as far as i realize. #talkcrafts-1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT :  You dont have 2 register w/the Copyright Office unless you are going 2 sue.Its already yours. #talkcrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : I believe that when you pin someone elses stuff it violates their copyrights because of the way they store it #talkcrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Yes but 179 countries are signed up to an agreement which makes them very similar and includes not registering #TalkCrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : The other thing Id like to point out is that copyright laws differ from country to country.#talkcrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : You dont have to register with the Copyright Office unless you are going to sue. Its already yours. #talkcrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 The other thing I'd like to point out is that copyright laws differ from country to country. #TalkCrafts -1:09 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I believe that when you pin someone else's stuff it violates their copyrights because of the way they store it #talkcrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 That was a big part of our discussion last week, it seems that they are taking some flack since you can't stop the pinning #talkcrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : You dont have to register with the Copyright Office unless you are going to sue. Its already yours. #TalkCrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 So, what do you think about Pinterest? Is it violating copyright laws? #talkcrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  lol that's ok #TalkCrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Good to know RT  You dont have to register with the Copyright Offic unless you are going to sue. Its already yours. #talkcrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Good point! So many people I've seen say, well there was no copyright on it & don't realize there's an inherent 1 #TalkCrafts -1:08 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  - oh sorry - you Gen!#talkcrafts -1:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Most important thing to remember is that stuff is already copyrighted when you make it. So is everyone elses #TalkCrafts -1:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  - Hi Cynthia! #talkcrafts -1:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  You don't have to register with the Copyright Office unless you are going to sue. It's already yours. #talkcrafts -1:07 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Most important thing to remember is that stuff is already copyrighted when you make it. So is everyone else's #talkcrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 But Family Day around me is fun because lots of places put on free family events or have special deals on.#TalkCrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I know, I worked all day yesterday too... soooooo much to do right now #talkcrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Hi DaleAnne #TalkCrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  So, since you are a copyright lawyer, do you want to start with any advice? #talkcrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Family Day is essentially a made up holiday because we were jealous of y'all having a Feb three day weekend LOL.#TalkCrafts -1:06 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Oh yes we are. We have a few big projects right now and there is no time to waste.#talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Hi Dale! RT : - not all provinces tho Cyn, only AB SK and ON. MB is Louis Reil Day and PEI is Islander Day, #talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  True! I keep forgetting it's not Family Day all across the country! #TalkCrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I know, I usually hide under a rock ;) #talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Thanks! Happy Presidents' Day to all of you! #TalkCrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 HI everyone! #talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 HI Gen... RT : Hello all#talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Well the truth finally comes out :-D#talkcrafts -1:05 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  ohhhhhh really? a copyright lawyer eh? #TalkCrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  - not all provinces tho Cyn, only AB SK and ON. MB is Louis Reil Day and PEI is Islander Day,#talkcrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 are you working today? RT : Having a wonderful Presidents day here! How about you?#talkcrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Family Day sounds fun :-) #talkcrafts-1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 how wonderful! RT : Its Family Day for us in Canada so enjoying some time with my daughter :) #talkcrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 helpful! RT : I guess now is the time to confess I used to be a copyright lawyer in my past life.#talkcrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Happy Family Day #TalkCrafts -1:04 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  I guess now is the time to confess I used to be a copyright lawyer in my past life.#talkcrafts -1:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  It's Family Day for us in Canada so enjoying some time with my daughter :) #TalkCrafts -1:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 This came about from our tweetchat last week when we were talking about Pinterest #talkcrafts -1:03 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 So, today we promised to talk about Protecting your content on the internet. #talkcrafts -1:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Having a wonderful Presidents day here! How about you? #talkcrafts -1:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  okay dokey #TalkCrafts -1:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Achy and tired but so glad to be here :) I may be interrupted a lot too so pardon me if I go awol :) #talkcrafts -1:02 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 hola!!! How is everyone on this fine holiday?#talkcrafts -1:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Hello all #TalkCrafts -1:01 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  ahh yes, winter is a tough one for me as well! #TalkCrafts -12:59 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  Eh, give me a few months ;) I don't do well in winter and we're having a tiny bit of it for once this year. #TalkCrafts -12:57 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
  aww I'm sorry you're not doing well. Hope you feel better soon! #TalkCrafts -12:56 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Don't miss Monday's tweetchat #TalkCrafts. We will be discussing protecting your content #pinterest http://t.co/Vm5MAJIz -12:55 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 RT : Don't miss Monday's tweetchat #TalkCrafts. We will be discussing protecting your content #pinterest http://t.co/Vm5MAJIz -12:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 10 Minutes till we start talking about protecting your content! Come join us at 1pm EST http://t.co/z6nTYHC2#talkcrafts -12:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
   I'll be here as best I can, not having the best day health-wise. #TalkCrafts -12:52 PM Feb 20th, 2012

   
 Here and ready for it! RT :  come #talkCrafts with us at 1pm EST #TalkCrafts -12:45 PM Feb 20th, 2012

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